From Film Club to Film Sets (ft. Jules Tucker)
And he starts to turn my car. He's like, oh my god. What what's going on with your car? And I was like, I don't know. I thought this was normal.
Tyler:We're on the way back and all of a sudden, the entire just like the entire dashboard just lights up. Oh. Like, all the lights are going off. Right?
Jules:Danger. Danger.
Tyler:Right. So we're thinking, okay, it's probably about to explode or something. Mhmm. And so my dad is like, okay, we're driving this straight to the dealership for them to explain what happened. Yeah.
Tyler:They had cut my brake line. So I had no brake fluid. I was just I don't know how I survived an entire week of driving. But, yes. I had no brake fluid in my car.
Jules:I can't even imagine, like, how you even would stop without brakes. Like, you just coast to a stop.
Tyler:I don't know if God was just there to just be like, stop. You know, it's like just like a gust of wind of miracle gust of wind to stop me. And, yeah, I and of course, my dad, of course, got extremely mad at them.
Jules:Of course. Well, if you're spending money.
Tyler:Oh, yeah. And I was just my grandpa was with us, too. So it's kind of awkward. I'm like, your. Generations of.
Tyler:Yeah. All of us just collectively What was the Walmart you went to? What city?
Jules:This one.
Tyler:It was Kennesaw Kennesaw Walmart. That's that's no good. No. I hope And I thought
Jules:I I thought I was being like
Tyler:You thought you getting the treatment?
Jules:I thought I was doing it like a good thing. I was like, I don't want to drive all the way back home needing an oil. It's an hour drive. I don't want to drive an hour needing an oil change. So let me just try someplace new and cheap because I'm a broke college student.
Jules:My mistake. Now I put oil in my car every week.
Tyler:The every week?
Jules:Mhmm. Because it slowly leaks out.
Tyler:Oh. Yeah. Oh. I think.
Jules:I tried I don't know if that's the right thing to do, but it's what I do.
Tyler:Put some Flex Seal on there. Do you know what that is?
Jules:I do.
Tyler:Okay. Good. I just I
Jules:I haven't known a lot of things. Okay. Popular culture references, so it's understandable that you would ask me that.
Tyler:No. I tell I tell people, Flex Seal and stuff. Okay. Whoever's editing, You may have seen a few people test Flex Seal on a bucket. That's a lot of damage.
Jules:Flip fills Swift's face over my face.
Tyler:For a solid minute. Half the recording is just Phil Swift just edited on like No. That's a lot of damage. We're gonna
Jules:invest a million dollars. What's that? The editing budget here.
Tyler:Yeah. Like, quarter million. You know? That's what we got. Yeah.
Tyler:If we if we make them think we're a big deal, then they'll believe it.
Jules:Right. And then they'll give you money.
Tyler:And, like, we do we do need we need we need a million dollars, guys. It's
Jules:New equipment. I'm guys, I'm in the middle of this room, and I'm looking at all this equipment. I'm like
Tyler:Oh, my gosh. God. It's like the McDonald's of equipment. The Captain D no. I'm kidding.
Jules:And I'm joking too. Think joking. Don't know what happened.
Tyler:Snob is Jules Tucker comes in and bashes the whole setup. It's the title
Jules:Yeah. Of the podcast.
Tyler:Welcome everybody though to the Creators Table podcast. I'm your host Tyler Watson and we're here joined with Jules Tucker. Give a little round of applause to the people here. So how I already said this, but how are you doing today? I'm good.
Tyler:You're nervous a little bit?
Jules:I am. But everyone is so nice and personable here. You're so nice and personable that it's things are going.
Tyler:It's okay.
Jules:Are going well in my brain.
Tyler:You're not
Jules:going to
Tyler:have a heart attack. That's good. Do you want to, like, introduce yourself a little bit? Tell us about what you do, who you are, I guess.
Jules:Obviously, my name is Jules. I guess I would consider myself an editor mostly, but I'm multifaceted. I don't like to categorize myself into one little box. Like. Yeah, right.
Jules:Storytelling in general. I think a lot of creatives kind of understand what I mean when I say you do a little bit of everything.
Tyler:Right. Absolutely.
Jules:So acting, editing, research. I'm a big student researcher right now. So. Okay. Lots of academic stuff, I think.
Jules:Was that all you asked me or am I just blinking?
Tyler:No, no, no. That's all I asked. No. I'm like I'm like, you have to answer for twenty minutes. Yeah.
Tyler:No. I'm joking.
Jules:And who I am. I'm a gorgeous, lovable, kind, smart.
Tyler:Have a
Jules:lot of
Tyler:Yeah. Stuff on you You're about to find out a lot of stuff what we have on you.
Jules:Yeah. Oh, you've done research.
Tyler:We have. What is oh, no. And what I was gonna say is you said this kinda shocked me a little bit though. You said your main would you consider yourself more as an actor or an editor?
Jules:Mhmm. Well, I think I would consider myself more of an editor. Interesting. However, I know that a lot of the public facing
Tyler:Roles you've had. Right?
Jules:Yes. Are acting roles.
Tyler:Right. Right.
Jules:And so, I think that kind of showcases a lot of, like, glitz and glamour of, like, a cast versus, like.
Tyler:Right. Right.
Jules:When you're crew and you're working behind the scenes, you maybe don't always get the recognition. Mhmm. Absolutely. And so definitely, pride myself on working hard as an editor and acting is, a different creative endeavor to be sure. Right.
Tyler:Right. That's that's a that's another fun opportunity you have to
Jules:Yes.
Tyler:To experience in that that realm.
Jules:Well, feel like both roles, you're kind of crafting something. Mhmm. So if you're acting, you're getting to craft a character. And if you have, like, a more flexible writer director, then they kind of want you to make it their own. Then that can be a really fun process of, like, getting into the role and kind of creating your own interpretation on something and telling And that then editing is also like you're sequencing a story in a timeline of events, you're kind of I personally think that editing is is one of the most important parts of filmmaking.
Jules:Yeah. Second only to probably a director or a writer.
Tyler:There's doing the coloring. There's doing the cutting the films together.
Jules:Yeah.
Tyler:To where it matches well with the audio that somebody conducted, you know?
Jules:Oh, gosh. Yeah. Right. It's it can be very, like, make or break something. And you can have the part of the reason why I love it is you can have the exact same footage and you can cut it in completely different ways.
Tyler:Mhmm.
Jules:And so you have so much control and manipulation over the story and, like, specifically the feelings that an audience might get behind it or, like, the meaning behind the story in general.
Tyler:Right. Absolutely. And now let's talk a little bit about like you beginning your journey into into film. Mhmm. I'll say film.
Tyler:Yeah. I'll say film. So, you know, where were those first opportunities you had and and where did you first develop that interest for wanting to be a part of filmmaking? Oh,
Jules:gosh. I don't know. Because I did news crew when I was in middle school.
Tyler:Okay.
Jules:And I so that's, you know, you're a little tiny 12 year old who's getting in front of your school and you're reading out the morning announcements and, you know, like that's not but really necessarily it definitely introduced me to camera and like sound and just getting in front of a camera for sure.
Tyler:Absolutely.
Jules:And then I kind of forgot about it for a while until I came to Kennesaw. And I thought that I was going to be a biology major. I love nursing, health care, all of that kind of stuff. I really thought that I was going to go the RN route. And then I took a believe it was visual communications or a visual anthropology class.
Jules:And I kind of rediscovered the power that, like, images can have. Yeah. Yeah. And then I was like, Oh, man, like, I really want to get involved on campus and, like, meet people. So let me go see what clubs are out there.
Jules:And that's when I started with FFS, which is for film's sake here on campus, which is one of the film clubs. And when I first started out, it was very, very different than it is now. It was four, almost five years ago. So, like, completely different structure of, like, management, I'll say.
Tyler:Right. And there's less people, stuff like that. Less Absolutely. Going
Jules:Less participation from people as well. So, you've got to
Tyler:kind Right. Of
Jules:be more involved. And I kind of stuck with that for a good bit, and it gave me a lot of opportunity to not only get in front of the camera, but also introduced me to other people who were on campus and taking the media and entertainment route.
Tyler:Right. Right.
Jules:And so that's when I kind of started to decide that, hey, like, maybe this is something that I could actually go to school for.
Tyler:Yeah. Do for a living. Yeah. Yeah. And and we'll see.
Tyler:And you said, you know, you've kind of said that you, you know, you like you enjoy acting, but it's not your passion. Your passion is editing. Yeah. Which again is a is a role where they need a lot more people, I would say. Yeah.
Tyler:It's very rare you meet somebody like, oh, I love to edit.
Jules:Oh,
Tyler:yeah. Even with this, I'm like, when I ask, you know, our editors to edit a forty minute episode of me talking, I'm like, it's gotta be
Jules:Sounds like my dream.
Tyler:Alright. Hey. Maybe we need maybe maybe what's maybe we'll have discussions after this.
Jules:Yeah. What was that million dollar budget you're talking about? God. Yeah. Mhmm.
Jules:Yeah. Mhmm.
Tyler:That's my pocket money. It's called my pocket change, you know. Because I just have that. But when did you notice that acting was a potential thing for you? Because it it does feel a little bit strange to me.
Tyler:Yeah. You're just like, act editing and then they're like, did somebody just approach you to say, hey, we think you'd be great for this. Or did you or were you the one to step out and put yourself out there like that?
Jules:So when I first started with FFS, I was just trying to get on set in any way I could because those major roles were kind of filled. And so I started with makeup and costuming, just kind of more art focused roles. Right. Right. Where I could kind of just like cultivate different artistic looks and things like that.
Jules:And the very first acting I did was on a short film called Empty House.
Tyler:Okay.
Jules:Which is on the FFS channel. It's on their YouTube channel.
Tyler:Back in 2022 is what it says.
Jules:Oh. Yeah. That's what I gathered. Research says.
Tyler:That is what it is. Is it 2022?
Jules:I think it well, I don't know. It's been so long.
Tyler:I know. It it has kind of been a while. Right?
Jules:Four years?
Tyler:Yeah. Yeah. Four years. Yeah.
Jules:Yeah. It was my freshman year. And I was on set as a costumer. And then one of our actors dropped out. Just didn't show up or something happened.
Jules:I won't slander his name. I don't know him, but he just wasn't there. They needed again, this was at a time when club participation was just like really low. And so they said, you know, who's on set that can even step in front of the camera? And so the original role was Pizza Man Stan.
Jules:It was supposed to be played by a man. And I was the one on set who kind of, I guess, volunteered and was like, let me do it. I can do it. I got you.
Tyler:I got you.
Jules:We'll figure out what to do. And so they put me in an extra I think it was an extra large. It could have been XXL from the dirty laundry hamper of the guy whose house it was. Oh, It was a big red t shirt and a baseball cap. And they said, okay, here's the script.
Jules:Do your best.
Tyler:So you just had this trash bag sized
Jules:Yes.
Tyler:T shirt on.
Jules:I tucked it in my pants.
Tyler:That may have been dirty.
Jules:Oh, it definitely was. Oh. Yeah. He even came downstairs and was like, it was it's dirty. It was in my dirty laundry hamper, but like
Tyler:Brother.
Jules:It's okay. It had like a stain on it. Brother. Clean
Tyler:the shirts.
Jules:Yeah. If I'm not to go
Tyler:give a shirt to somebody for them to wear.
Jules:Yeah. For two days, mind you, on end.
Tyler:Oh. Did you get any opportunity to clean it?
Jules:No. Oh. Because I think
Tyler:that That's they for granted.
Jules:They had one of the because it was me and another girl who were doing costumes. And I guess it might have been clingy the second day. I'm not actually so sure. I just remember it being Jordy.
Tyler:Traumatized from the first day. Yeah. Carried over to the second. Exactly. Absolutely.
Tyler:Yeah.
Jules:That was a fun one. And so that kind of it gave me more opportunities to, like, meet other people in who the wanted actors, which is so strange because, you know, I feel like everyone is willing to step in front of the camera.
Tyler:Right. Anybody wants to have
Jules:Right.
Tyler:Have the opportunity.
Jules:And I kind of realized that not everyone
Tyler:So people are shy.
Jules:Yeah. I didn't really think about, you know, that not everyone would want to be in front of the camera. Some people want to be behind the camera.
Tyler:Right. Right.
Jules:And so it kind of it gave me the opportunity to make connections and be creative and show connect with other people really is what I benefited from. Yeah.
Tyler:And who are some of you want to give some shout outs? Who are some of those initial connections that you've made with Oh, my gosh.
Jules:So, like, Evan Baron is awesome. He knows he's awesome. He doesn't need a shout out. He's doing his own thing. He's doing great.
Tyler:Right.
Jules:Him and another guy who graduated out of FFS, Owen Westfall, they have their own, like, equipment rental.
Tyler:Oh, that's smart.
Jules:And they do, Root House.
Tyler:I've heard of that. Yeah.
Jules:Yes. So they, were there when I very first started, and really, really introduced me to, like, what a professional behind the camera probably looks like.
Tyler:Right. Right. And
Jules:I've met a lot of, like, really good friends like Dawson Jules Tucker, Sofia Mamoso. I'm I'm there's someone I'm forgetting.
Tyler:So many people.
Jules:There's so many people that I Oh, Rachel Lock, who's an awesome AD. There's so many people. And I'm and I'm going to be so upset that I'm not able to think of them right now. Obviously, Dallas.
Tyler:Was that you don't have to list everybody? Yeah. We'll revisit the the shout out
Jules:list. Yeah. I'll just go through my followings.
Tyler:Just go through all
Jules:of Yeah. Literally.
Tyler:Well, and you've been on you've been to quite a few other films now at this point. You've you've had you had Empty House was your first one. Yeah. You had Shot Chaser, which was also in 2022.
Jules:I actually I still rewatch that sometimes. I really like
Tyler:Okay.
Jules:That short film. That one's a good one, I think.
Tyler:And then you also have The Callback
Jules:Mhmm.
Tyler:2025. Yes. About a year ago. Mhmm.
Jules:A little
Tyler:over a year ago.
Jules:Who knows?
Tyler:And then currently, we'll save I'll save the other one actually But Shot Chaser, what is Shot Chaser? Why did that why do you highlight that one?
Jules:I think that that's different than a majority of the other things that I've acted in. Mhmm. So Empty House, which continued into Pizza Time. I'm not sure if you have that on your little your little Tyler's list.
Tyler:I don't I don't have pizza time here. Yeah. Oh. I wasn't I wasn't sure what
Jules:pizza That's a big one, miss.
Tyler:I'm sorry. It's okay. I'm sorry. It's okay.
Jules:I'll dock that from your pay. It's fine. I'm sorry. So empty house pizza time. Shot chaser.
Jules:No, not Shotchaser. Empty House Pizza Time. Some of the other ones that I can't remember. Anyway, they're all more comedy based, I would say. Have a little bit more of a casual feel to them versus Shot Chaser, which I think was a little bit more serious, and I got to do a little bit more, like, powerful emotional acting.
Tyler:Right.
Jules:Which I really, really enjoyed getting into the actual feelings of the character, who I had a really amazing co star for that, who was wonderful to act across because we both were giving so much energy at the same time that we really fed into each other.
Tyler:Right. Right.
Jules:And so at one point, had to, like, take a minute and I was like, guys, I'm actually gonna start crying because, like, this is intense and this is a lot. And I think that that translates to what you see in the short film.
Tyler:Right.
Jules:It's definitely more emotional than some of the other ones.
Tyler:When how and that leads me right into my next question, which is just how do you get yourself ready for different roles that you're being on? Because I don't know the consistency and when you're on set and when you're doing this stuff. Because again, you know, I know you're more interested in editing, but you've had numerous roles in acting.
Jules:Oh, yeah.
Tyler:So how do you get yourself prepared? Do you are you are you studying the script a ton? And when you're ready to, you know, when you're ready to film, are you doing some certain ways to get yourself into character? Like, what is that like for you?
Jules:I actually I think that a lot of the ways like you mentioned, I love editing. I think that, like, editing is one of those those things where, like, I hate that I love it so much, you know, versus acting is a little bit more like, oh, I like editing or not editing. I love acting. But preparation honestly is similar because I need to know the vibes. That's really important.
Jules:And I don't think any other word could really describe it as accurately as vibes. You've got mood boards, you've got soundtracks. Some people put together reference image colors that just elicit some kind of emotion that should be felt in the end product.
Tyler:Right, right.
Jules:So, the way that you act is gonna be reflective of the message that you wanna come across.
Tyler:Right.
Jules:And so, if that's serious, then you have to know that and you have to understand that and you have to internalize that so that you can portray it accurately to the final project or the final product. Right. I guess. And so reading the script is obviously you need to know your lines, but you also need to not only know the character, but understand the character.
Tyler:Right.
Jules:If that makes sense.
Tyler:You can't be, like, trying to make an attempt as to what the what people the what the director is looking for, what the writer is looking for. You have to kind of be in understanding of it when you're doing it. And not just winging it when you get up
Jules:there. Yeah. Absolutely.
Tyler:The direction and guidance of your director slash editor. I was
Jules:gonna say a good director will tell you exactly what you need to know in order to elicit what he or she wants. Right. Out of your performance. And a good actor is someone that can provide that consistently. So you want consistency above all else as an actor.
Tyler:Well, and there's so much like traveling of ideas in filmmaking. Mhmm. Because, you know, you're starting with a writer and sometimes your writer doesn't wanna direct. Right. But they might wanna be in that process though.
Tyler:So they have to translate their vision to the director. And then the director has to translate their their vision to the, you know, the director of photography, you know, the the artists of the group, the actors, everyone. And then all that. They have to direct all those visions through the director to your editors Mhmm. To your, you know Post production anything.
Tyler:Right. Music.
Jules:Yes.
Tyler:Art. And there's all stills going around the writer. Make sure they got it right from right there at the beginning. Right. There's a lot of areas where it could be completely lost in communication.
Jules:Yeah.
Tyler:And it's very it's very beautiful when you get to see and especially here at KSU something that so many people have poured out so much time into. Mhmm. Or maybe they even helped just a tiny bit, but just to see where they were a part of it, but also to see how many people actually love and adore this.
Jules:Yeah. And I think that's there there's so much discourse right now with AI. Absolutely. What I think so many people don't understand when AI is generating content versus, like, a film set, there is so much thought that goes into, not just from the writer or director, but from every single person Not that works on only do they have to be on the same page, but they have to contribute those thoughts and feelings from themselves as well. Right.
Jules:It's so collaborative that I don't think that there's anything that a machine could replicate.
Tyler:That is a very I think it's a very good point to bring up. Mhmm. Because, you know, I I am personally of the of the belief, like, I'm not very hypercritical of AI, but when it comes to art specifically, I don't necessarily I'm not necessarily afraid of AI. Mhmm. And the reason is why is because I think I don't think that there is a world where AI will be able to create good art that can compete with what real people can make.
Tyler:I don't think that's possible. Yeah. Because, you know, it's kind of like what we said. It's like there's so many areas along the line where there are people, you know, working on it, adding different ideas, changing. Whereas I would just say to AI, hey, just make me a movie.
Tyler:Yeah. They might have an idea, but there's no all those areas where you're cutting it up and making it better along the way are completely cut out. Yeah. You're just making the whole thing.
Jules:Yeah.
Tyler:And so again, that's to restate. I think no matter what you, you know, they can hire, you know, right. You can hire AI to just make these, you know, crappy movies that nobody's gonna watch. Yeah. But those movies that are, you know, blockbuster that people are showing out to see.
Tyler:Yeah. Those really important movies.
Jules:Oh, my gosh.
Tyler:Right. They're gonna show out and they're gonna go see those over these AI generated movies.
Jules:Speaking of which, I think Sinners has 16 nominations.
Tyler:Yeah. I heard it did really good at at the Oscars. Right?
Jules:Yes. Yeah. Oh, my gosh. Yeah. I love that movie.
Jules:I think it's so representative of what I think art should bring to the table, which is soul and, like, human connection. Right. Again, something that I don't think AI will ever be able to really put into content. So
Tyler:Are you worried about AI?
Jules:Let me craft this as a very diplomatic answer.
Tyler:Hey. If you think be don't be afraid to, like Okay. Take time to think about what you wanna say. Yeah. I guess.
Jules:I think it's a tool that is going to be utilized regardless. I don't think that it will ever be something that anyone can ever not use. I mean, Siri is AI, you know, like there's even if you don't think something is AI, it probably has some kind of artificial intelligence component. I so I think that it's kind of inevitable in that aspect. Right.
Jules:And that scares me. I don't, a little bit, because I don't, anything that makes me dependent on it to do my job scares me a little bit. Right. I think a little bit of fear is completely healthy. Mhmm.
Jules:And I think there's also a lot of economic and political background parts to what
Tyler:makes It's bit they shoe. Yeah. It's not just a yes or no type Right.
Jules:So consciously excluding some of those economic and social issues that are in the background of AI, the actual function of AI, kind of like how you said, I think it's never going to be able to truly replicate what it means to, like, be human.
Tyler:Right.
Jules:Which brings me comfort because that's what art should always be about is being human. I think being meaningful.
Tyler:Absolutely. We are, maybe I think we're going to have to have you back on and maybe this has already happened and this is already in the works. But it's of our it's of our plan to give a little sneak peek to the listener is, to do some sort of collaborative video with film makers and stuff like that to create, whether it just be a script or a whole film in itself, not made by people and then or not made by AI. Yeah. And then make an AI generated one to truly just show, like, hey, we don't I don't have to debate this.
Tyler:Yeah. It's I love just right there. You know
Jules:I mean? I think there's a couple of people in FFS that pride themselves in not using AI in any aspect of what Right. They produce. And I think that that is a wonderful aspiration to work towards if you're kind of opposed to that idea. Certified AI free is becoming a a new trendy like stamp.
Tyler:I think we'll see that. Yeah. I I genuinely think we'll probably I think even government wise, I think we'll see some sort of maybe not even government, just some sort of stamp of or kinda like, you know, how like it is with food and stuff like that or even like books.
Jules:Like cruelty free.
Tyler:Right. Yeah. Yeah. AI free. Yeah.
Tyler:Exactly. AI free. Boom.
Jules:Yeah. Exactly.
Tyler:I think I think we'll see that. And I think I think it's just scary to see how unprepared we are for it, which I think we'll see that happen.
Jules:Yeah. Hopefully. I mean, this is the what the technology age. Yeah. Where, like, we have more technology and have more technology in the past.
Jules:I wanted to say fifty, but it's more like twenty years than we've ever had in the history of mankind. Hey.
Tyler:It's kinda weird. It's a crazy time to be living in. Absolutely. A lot of people take that for granted
Jules:a little to Mars. I'd colonize Mars.
Tyler:I'd colonize Mars. If
Jules:they ask me, hey, do you wanna go up to Mars and grow some plants? I'd be like, hell no.
Tyler:Have you seen The Martian? Yes. Oh, yeah. Then absolutely. I
Jules:love them. I actually read The Martian book before it came out. So good.
Tyler:It's so, so good. Yeah. Yeah. I rewatched it the other day. Was like, how did I forget about this movie?
Jules:Yeah. Well, part of the reason I love The Martian is because it's good filmmaking. Not only is it a good story, but it's good filmmaking. Way they adapted it and the way they overcame some of the inherent struggles of adapting a book that's completely like, I mean, he's talking to himself in his brain. He doesn't have dialogue with anyone else for a majority of There's the so many.
Jules:There could have been so many pitfalls in that movie that it's a movie I enjoy watching specifically for the filmmaking as well as the story.
Tyler:Right. Right. I agree. I agree. Which leads me to my next question.
Tyler:Yeah. Films. Yes. Let's talk about your favorite films. I think this is like like a especially for somebody who's in your type of major.
Tyler:I'm like, this is your most important question of of your entire life.
Jules:It's the question I hate answering the most.
Tyler:So let's say let's go on how we do it in Letterboxd. You're on Letterboxd, right? No. How are you not a letterbox? We got to get you on that.
Jules:Yeah. I see people on it. I'm very disconnected.
Tyler:Today's the day. Okay. So top four. Okay. Or whatever.
Tyler:How are if whatever you have, top three, top four, top two.
Jules:Okay.
Tyler:What you got? Well,
Jules:I'm a romantic. So this answer hasn't changed for the past eight years. It's always been the 2005 adaptation of Pride and Prejudice with Keira Knightley.
Tyler:I met somebody who really liked that movie.
Jules:Yeah. Okay. It's it's my number one, and I'm not ashamed to admit that.
Tyler:Hands down?
Jules:Yeah, hands down.
Tyler:Okay.
Jules:I think more recently, I really love Sinners. I really love all of the Jordan Peele movies. Okay. Specifically because of the stories that he tells and how he tells them. I think that they're so awesome.
Jules:They're so, like, human. And it's obvious when you do in-depth analysis of them that they have so much thought and care put into every little aspect of the culture.
Tyler:What's the other Jordan Peele movie?
Jules:There's Nope. Nope. Okay. There's Get Out.
Tyler:Get Out.
Jules:Yeah. There's more.
Tyler:I have a really I've I've been kinda tempted not to talk about this just because I have such a polarizing opinion. Okay. And I and I know it's polarizing. Hey, it's gonna be okay.
Jules:It's a hot take. It's a hot take. Okay.
Tyler:I I did not I did not love sinners. And let me explain to you why. Let me explain to you why. When I look at it, like, as it from a from a, like, objective creative standpoint.
Jules:There's so many negative faces around the room right now.
Tyler:I know. I know. And it's I and I understand. And I and I honestly respect it. Because from a creative standpoint, I'm looking at it.
Tyler:I'm like, this is a really well done film. Mhmm. Right? I I'm not I don't doubt the the Oscars it won or anything like that. Like, I don't necessarily say it doesn't it wasn't deserving.
Tyler:Right? I go into the movie. I have no knowledge of this. Absolutely none.
Jules:Okay.
Tyler:I'm kind of thinking this is just like a like a history film or something like that. Or what one would say is maybe kind of like a true story based on like a real place and not maybe a direct story of like actual real people. And all of a sudden, Hailee Steinfeld turns into a vampire. And I'm like, what happened? Where did that come from?
Tyler:And I think just the wow factor of having absolutely no knowledge that they were vampires was just so shocking to me that I couldn't recover.
Jules:Yeah. So that sounds like your own fault.
Tyler:It is. It is. It is.
Jules:It sounds like how we were talking about earlier. Captain D's and having low expectations.
Tyler:Yes.
Jules:This man enjoys Captain D's. I'm doxing him.
Tyler:There's this the Captain D lovers of the world are going to unite into this comment section.
Jules:No. They're not. So but anyway, your expectations were probably just not I wasn't prepared.
Tyler:Yeah. And I I told my friend, I was like, look, I'll wait twenty years. I'll watch it again and I'll probably love it. Yeah. And I'll regret everything there.
Jules:Yeah. You will. Well, because if you yeah, you will.
Tyler:Not salty about it at all. I see.
Jules:Well, like, the the story itself is so like
Tyler:There's so many metaphors. It's it's very it's a very deep story.
Jules:Yes. That's what I love about
Tyler:it. And I respect it so much. Yeah. Like, I
Jules:It's double. Oh, my God. I can't think of Michael b Jordan. There's two Michael b Jordan.
Tyler:There is two Michael b Jordan's.
Jules:Oh, my God. How could anyone not love two Michael b Jordan's on TV?
Tyler:Can I capitalize on another thing? Mhmm. Let me tell you wait. Wait. People tell me I feel like I was given the Do you absolute
Jules:love Michael b Jordan? No, you don't.
Tyler:Okay. Left out, like, out of left field. I mean, I feel like, yes. But That
Jules:you that you are told that you look like Michael B. Jordan?
Tyler:No one Okay. I can thought
Jules:that's you were gonna say. Sorry. Continue.
Tyler:I was told okay. That for some reason, I was given the I was given the inclination that the whole Hailee Steinfeld, Michael B Jordan relationship was like, okay. Do you know who Josh Allen is? Do you fall football at all? Okay.
Tyler:There's a football player. Hailee Steinfeld's husband is a
Jules:Oh my god. Okay. Yes. NFL quarterback. That's how you should have introduced him.
Tyler:Right. Yeah. I know. I I know. Right?
Tyler:Like like, Travis Kel like, Taylor Swift Taylor Swift's husband Right. Is
Jules:Travis Kelce. Yes.
Tyler:Of course. But that being said, so I'm looking at this from a football perspective. Right? Because everybody in the NFL community is like, oh, Josh Allen's wife totally just got banged by Michael B. Jordan on TV.
Tyler:And he's probably, like, so upset about it. And so I'm thinking, like, half the movie is just Hailee Steinfeld and Michael b Jordan. And, like, both both versions of Michael b Jordan. That's I'm no vampires and Michael b Jordan in two different people in the same movie being with Hailee Steinfeld. So
Jules:that's why you went to the movie. I did watch. Wanted to see Haili Style.
Tyler:Woah. Okay. Hold on. I was just I had to know. You're putting words into my mouth.
Tyler:This has gone from bad to worse. I regret bringing this over immediately. I
Jules:thought you were gonna say, I regret bringing you on.
Tyler:Oh, well, I wasn't gonna say that. I mean, I can.
Jules:I mean, probably that too. Yeah.
Tyler:I just won't say it to
Jules:you. Oh, okay. You'll just tell everyone. I'll
Tyler:just tell everyone. Like, yeah, we'll just have you leave Yeah. And we'll just keep rolling. I'll make it. Yeah.
Tyler:Just be like, damn.
Jules:Dang. Dude, that was terrible.
Tyler:I'm good enough. I almost cursed.
Jules:Anyway. I dang. Well, I almost said something else, but I'm trying to be good. Okay. Trying to be good.
Tyler:Well, I'm sorry for my horrible takes on. I'm really sorry. But let's talk about another thing. Yeah. So I did some digging.
Tyler:Okay. You're not super easy to find a lot of information about, I'm be honest. Good. Good. But you did leave one thing just literally in the bio of your Instagram.
Tyler:Oh, your Pinterest.
Jules:Oh, yeah.
Tyler:So you describe yourself, and I thought this was a very funny description. And maybe this is me being rude. Just a mythic southern gothic death vibe. Okay. That feels like so many different directions.
Tyler:Like that pie chart or what or or whatever, like, like Yeah. Like, I don't know what you categorize those.
Jules:I was that that Pinterest bio is not supposed to describe me. Supposed to describe the Pinterest board.
Tyler:Okay.
Jules:It's it's not the bio of my Instagram. It's the the bio of the Pinterest board.
Tyler:It's it's like it's like a Redneck woman likes like, like My Chemical Romance. No, that's not goth. That's emo. What's goth? What's a goth artist?
Jules:It's like So the shirt I'm wearing right now is very like interview with a vampire. Right? Louisiana Bayou vampire. Like, he knows what I'm
Tyler:talking about.
Jules:He understands. It's like whimsy goth is kind of similar.
Tyler:Whimsy goth. That's a very funny two pairing of words, but I understand.
Jules:But I also don't attribute myself as a whimsy goth.
Tyler:You're not whimsical?
Jules:I'm mirthful. Think that's. Okay. So I grew up in the South. Right?
Jules:Right. I love lace and.
Tyler:It's very that's a somewhat very similar southern thing, I guess.
Jules:Okay. So imagine if Okay. You will
Tyler:I'm imagining.
Jules:A beautiful woman
Tyler:Okay.
Jules:Dressed in like a sheer white nightgown with frills and lace and her hair is just a little dirty and she's got like, she's like, got minimal makeup on and she's just running through a swamp.
Tyler:Yeah. Barefoot. I see it. Barefoot. Yes.
Tyler:Should we reenact this and just have it like as a clip in the Yeah. And I. And everybody sees it.
Jules:And ideally, she's got some silver jewelry on. And
Tyler:So that is this? Sure.
Jules:I'll take that. That's what I'd like to cultivate myself.
Tyler:Does death come in?
Jules:So I'm a Scorpio.
Tyler:Okay.
Jules:And a lot about You thought I was
Tyler:gonna judge you right there.
Jules:I'm not worried about you. I'm worried about them. You're kidding.
Tyler:For sure. Or the listeners, perhaps.
Jules:Yeah. Okay. So using zodiac as like a reflection tool, there's different attributes assigned to different zodiacs and. Right. Something that Scorpio rules over is death and rebirth and that kind of cyclical change.
Jules:And so kind of not seeing death as a negative thing, but it can be the death of, you know, your ego or.
Tyler:Right, right.
Jules:You know, different things like that that bring about the rebirth of something new and better. Right. And so I don't necessarily think of death as a sad thing. More of just it can be a quite beautiful thing. Think.
Tyler:I would agree. Do. It does upset me when people are very like, like death is like a horrendous thing. I think it's very bad for people's mental health and well-being. Well, I think
Jules:that's why a lot of religion, not to get religious or political, but, you know, religion gives people
Tyler:Coping mechanisms. Yes.
Jules:Coping and and hope for something on the other side of death, which I think is can also be a very beautiful and human thing. I just like humans and people. And that's that anthropology side of me is just like trying to understand how we, like, interact as a culture. Death culture is big in my research. I have
Tyler:faith that you're not going to go total serial killer.
Jules:No.
Tyler:I I have faith now. No. No. Okay. Alright.
Tyler:Somebody's gonna be cutting back to me like, and this is the moment. This is He the
Jules:messed up.
Tyler:Yeah. Who are some, like, role models that you've had in this experience of filming?
Jules:I mean, here at KSU, professor Choi has been not only, like, a role model, but, like, a true mentor to me. Genuinely encouraging me to pursue the kind of the combination of my interests filmmaking and anthropology is like a documentary filmmaker telling those human stories in film format. He has encouraged me so much and has believed in me so much and pushed me to be my best. But I would also be lying if I didn't say, like, my parents are role models just because, like, they're good people and they have always encouraged me to work hard and pursue my dreams. They I could not do what I do if they hadn't supported me this entire time.
Jules:So. Absolutely.
Tyler:Shout out. Shout out mom and dad. Mom and dads across the world.
Jules:Love you guys. Like I sound like Pitbull when
Tyler:I said that. Anyways. And I guess my last question, as we kind of reach our final bits of conversation would be what is a little bit of advice you would like to give to someone in your similar situation? So, you know, aspiring actors, aspiring editors.
Jules:Filmmakers, storytellers.
Tyler:Filmmakers, storytellers.
Jules:Whimsy goths out there. Absolutely. Well, one thing I struggle with is not giving myself time to rest. And you can have such large dreams and aspirations and forget somewhere along the way that you need to, like, rest and take time and congratulate yourself on how far you've come so far.
Tyler:Right. Right.
Jules:I think about everything I've done and I think I haven't done enough. And then I look back and I have situations like this where someone's telling me everything I've done. I'm like, oh, yeah, I've actually done quite a bit.
Tyler:It's been a while. Yeah.
Jules:Yeah. So I think any advice I'd give would be to slow down and take a breath and not lose yourself in, like, the creative process. Because that can be something really dangerous. You don't wanna burn out. You wanna give yourself time.
Jules:Right.
Tyler:Take it one one project at a time and not 5,000 at once and then you have
Jules:Which I have done. Which is why I know that's Well, a bad
Tyler:thank you so much for being here. We really appreciate it. I think it's a great episode. I enjoyed talking. Anything else you would like to say to the people of the world?
Jules:Don't do drugs. Get a Read a book. Yeah. Read something. Every single day you should read something.
Jules:So
Tyler:I don't know how we put that on a t shirt, but we'll figure it out.
Jules:Read something.
Tyler:Don't do drugs.
Jules:Use critical thinking.
Tyler:Yeah. This is an assortment of things. Yeah. Goodbye. But thank you for listening and, links in the bio if you're looking to find any sort of things like that, you know, where you can I don't know if you're totally cool sharing your Instagram or anything And like one last thing I did not I totally forgot to mention, I had to mention?
Jules:Okay.
Tyler:Is that you have a role in Macabre? Yes. There's another film we've shouted here.
Jules:Oh my gosh.
Tyler:So excited. Shout out there. So be on the lookout for that and otherwise have a great day. Goodbye.
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